Oct. 21, 2026

162. Beyond Advice | The Honey Badgers

162. Beyond Advice | The Honey Badgers
162. Beyond Advice | The Honey Badgers
The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast
162. Beyond Advice | The Honey Badgers

Seventeen years, six men, and one rule: no advice allowed. On this panel, three members of Dwayne Kerrigan's mastermind group, the "Honey Badgers", pull back the curtain on the framework that's carried them through startups, exits, burnout, and grief, and explain why the group that changes them most is the one that refuses to tell them what to do.

In this episode:

  • Curt Cronin breaks down "dynamic subordination," the Navy SEAL handoff principle the group uses to know who leads and who steps back in a crisis
  • Sam Hazledine explains why "nature abhors a vacuum" is the real reason humans default to giving advice, and why it usually backfires
  • Michael Grandjean opens up about losing everything and the one thing that got him through it: learning to forgive himself
  • Dwayne and the group unpack the "event, meaning, emotion, behavior, result" chain and how the stories we attach to events quietly run our lives
  • Sam introduces the idea of becoming a "mindful steward" instead of a "benevolent dictator" as a business scales
  • The group previews Dwayne's upcoming Founders Council program, built on the same gestalt-style mentorship model

About the guests: Curt Cronin is a former U.S. Navy SEAL turned entrepreneur and a founding member of the Honey Badgers mastermind group. Michael Grandjean spent 30 years in construction for the Department of Defense and the U.S. government before rebuilding his career after a period of significant personal and financial loss. Sam Hazledine is a physician based in New Zealand and founder of a medical staffing, technology, and research business. All three have been meeting with Dwayne Kerrigan as part of the same mastermind group for 17 years.

Episode Timestamps:

00:00 Brotherhood Origins

01:10 Meet The Honey Badgers

02:06 Sam Hazledine Introduction

03:19 Mike Grandjean and Curt Cronin Introductions

05:04 How the Mastermind Group Formed

07:07 Why the Group Works

10:06 Beyond Advice Gestalt Feedback

16:05 Trust and Safe Space

20:07 Dynamic Subordination Explained

23:21 Scaling Leadership Mindful Steward

28:53 Enough More and Seasons

31:41 Stuck In The Middle

32:16 Paying The Price

33:34 Forgive Yourself

35:14 Pain Versus Suffering

38:25 Blind Spots And Truth

42:26 Power Of Story

49:38 Intimacy And Proximity

54:31 Mastermind Framework

58:31 Proximity Is Power

01:02:57 Closing And Next Week

Follow The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast for Part 2 of this conversation, and find Curt Cronin, Michael Grandjean, and Sam Hazledine's own episodes in the show's back catalog.

Links to Previous Episodes:

https://www.dwaynekerrigan.com/2-from-navy-seal-to-entrepreneur-the-transformative-journey-with-curt-cronin/

https://www.dwaynekerrigan.com/24-part-1-curiosity-change-embracing-growth-and-discovery-with-curt-cronin/

https://www.dwaynekerrigan.com/25-part-2-unlocking-potential-from-beyond-the-comfort-zone-with-curt-cronin/

https://www.dwaynekerrigan.com/5-beyond-achievement-unlocking-fulfillment-with-dr-sam-hazledine/

https://www.dwaynekerrigan.com/121-collapse-courage-and-comeback-with-michael-grandjean/

https://www.dwaynekerrigan.com/122-forgiving-yourself-and-rebuilding-after-failure-with-michael-grandjean/

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