In Part 2 of this masterclass conversation, former Navy SEAL and leadership architect Rich Diviney returns to go deeper into the strategies behind his new book The Masters of Uncertainty—and delivers real, actionable frameworks for leaders who want to scale, perform, and lead better under pressure.

Dwayne and Rich explore how to literally reduce fear using a neuroscience-backed process called Moving Horizons, how to train your brain to handle chaos like a SEAL, and how to architect team trust with the 4 C’s of Trust framework. From building high-performance cultures to instilling behavior-based identity in teams, this episode is packed with takeaways for any business owner, leader, or parent navigating complexity.

Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction
01:30 - Buying Down Uncertainty Strategies
06:44 - Practicing Moving Horizons Techniques
10:00 - Helping Children with Moving Horizons
17:59 - Managing Euphoria in Decision Making
21:35 - Teaching Essential Skills in Schools
22:30 - Mental Health Awareness and Support
28:14 - Measuring Outcomes Effectively
30:18 - Understanding Dynamic Subordination
33:14 - Building Trust in Relationships
34:08 - Shaping Organizational Culture
40:50 - Measuring Character and Compassion
45:50 - Creating Cultural Principles for Success
51:56 - Linking Behaviors to Core Attributes
54:20 - Keys to Achieving Success
57:55 - Outro
1:01:30 - Share and Support the Podcast

Notable Quotes:
“Fear is not the enemy. It’s a risk assessment tool. The goal is not to eliminate fear—but to work with it.” – Rich Diviney

“If you’re too busy, it’s probably because you’re hiding in certainty. That’s the enemy of scale.” – Dwayne Kerrigan
“Our goal in life is to use life to explore our potential. That’s the real definition of success.” – Rich Diviney

“You can’t make anyone trust you. All you can do is behave in a way that earns it.” – Rich Diviney

Tools & Resources:
• Rich Diviney’s assessment & attributes work: www.theattributes.com
• Assessment tool use promo code KERRIGAN15: https://hub.theattributes.com/
• The Masters of Uncertainty – https://learn.theattributes.com/mastering-uncertainty
• The Attributes Book (2021) – foundational read on human performance
• “Moving Horizons” method – how to reduce fear through micro-goals
• The 4 Cs of Trust Framework: Competence, Consistency, Character, Compassion
• Culture Architecture with “I Am” Statements
• Dopamine and Motivation: How to manage goal-setting energy

Actionable Takeaways:
1. Use “Moving Horizons” to reduce overwhelm
→ Set micro-goals with a defined Duration, Pathway, and Outcome (DPO).
2. Teach your team how to lead themselves
→ Empower them to focus, shift responsibility fluidly, and trust each other.
3. Map values to behaviors, not buzzwords
→ Example: “Show others you care” = specific behaviors like thank-yous and peer recognition.
4. Run a Trust Audit using the 4 Cs
→ Where is your team strong—and where are you under-investing?
5. Culture is a team identity
→ If you don’t define your culture, your team will do it for you—and you may not like the result.

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